Four suspensions or so called expulsions in the last week. both were appropriately explained in the notices.
the first one was from MBA 4, two students were expelled for taking pictures of a teacher . the one who took pictures for a year and the other one, whose cell it was for a week.
the second expulsion from BBA 2 sec 2, the CR and another student were expelled since they wanted to go to a concert and were tryin to shift the classes but when the teachers declined they misinformed the class. (according to the notice board) i think this certain punishment was a bit severe.
and i still cant comprehend why the notice says Expulsion notice and not suspension notice.
Update: The concert was FESF child benefit concert and the new director has declined to reverse the decision, saying that the committee is senior and that the decision stands.
We as students still feel that the decision is harsh.
March 20, 2008 at 11:44 am
regardin the MIS 2 sec2 case…/well the expulsion was simply n overreaction frm th admin … i mean it ws nothin more bt sum misunderstandin bw the students and th business communication teachr ….even though th cr msgd th entire class at 7am tht the class will be held n has not bin rescheduld …. suspending them for a year is jus too much …
March 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm
i totally agree. i think the case should be put up for reevaluation and the BITS student body should intervene on part of the students. I request the concerned students to contact the student body asap.
March 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Thnks for considerin this ….what ive heard is that mr. controller is in no mood to listen to anyone regarding this case… rumors r k dr. nishat says that even he cant do anything about this…it’ll be really helpful if the BITS student body takes an action n asks th admin to reconsider this case because the initial one week suspension announced for them was more than enough!!
March 20, 2008 at 5:28 pm
It was an extremely minor issue that has been blown out of proportion simply because the administration is egoistical.The expelled students ASKED the teacher(Bushra Akbar) to RESCHEDULE the class, and she allegedly replied in a compliant manner without a concrete no.In the morning however, the CR messaged everyone in the class at 7 am that the class hasnt been rescheduled.
According to reports,Bushra Akbar was pretty pissed in the class that morning as only less than 10 students showed up.She allegedly said”How dare they try and reschedule a class??”
Come on! all the teachers keep scheduling extra classes at the most ungainly hours and usually at sundays which is the only day off we get, and here they are getting mad at a class who wanted to reschedule ONE class so that they could help out at a CHILD BENEFIT CONCERT.they didnt go to attend a concert for underpriveliged children, they went out to volunteer and help the cause.
And for this their career lies in ruins even before it took off from the ground.thank you iba.thank you mobin khalili.
March 20, 2008 at 8:39 pm
think we should sign a petition
March 20, 2008 at 8:42 pm
i think we shd.
March 20, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I seriously cant understand the logic of the suspension
March 20, 2008 at 9:06 pm
it was a FESF concert for crying out loud. they held a seminar a week back in IBA only
March 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Among Danishmand’s last acts was this
seriously…
March 20, 2008 at 9:46 pm
There is no check and balance on the administration. They have supreme authority over all matters, answerable to none. Policies governing student code of conduct and penalties are neither defined nor explained anywhere. They are guided by the controller’s whims. Whatever fate the administration decides on that particular day becomes law.
Taking pride in posting harsh unwarranted punishments on the notice board is a sign of weakness to handle small issues more constructively.
IBA is not a military training camp, it is an educational institute and it should behave like one.
March 20, 2008 at 10:04 pm
The last person to try and sign a petition from their class was reprimanded by Mr.Akmal and was told that”jo tum log unions bana rahe ho yeh sab nahin chalega”….I heard their class already signed a petiton and forwared it to the CCS office but to no effect.
I’m guessing that mobin khalili will only be swayed if the whole BITS block signs a petition or does something of that sort.I for one am totally up for a petition.
I totally agree with Mr.Afghani and Farooki.The admin is being overly sensitive on trivial issues.(shirts with logos ring a bell?)
IBA has always curtailed freedom of speech but this is taking it a bit too far.
March 20, 2008 at 11:41 pm
I, for one, am ready to take this up from the BITS student body, will talk to my counterparts on this. Hopefully they will agree too.
Proposed solution 1:
Sign a petition – to lessen the punishment to a more justifiable degree
Take it to the controller = Mobin Khalili
Anticipated problem: (most likely scenario)
The controller will take any petition as a sign of rebellion, and would outright reject it on its face, (instead of listening or reconsidering) being hostile to the student body representatives, and exercising greater authority in the future. He already has unchecked power.
Proposed solution 2:
Sign the petition
Take it to the board of directors
Anticipated problem:
The board will listen, but probably exercise no authority, or delay it long enough. We already have our midterms here, and we can’t possibly take this up before they end. This will give reason to Mobin Khalili to give ‘F’ grades to students based purely on their absences, even if the board agrees to influence the decision.
Proposed Solution 3:
Do nothing about this issue now
Compile a list of all injustices and problems in IBA
Collect verifiable information about them
Take them to the board of directors through student representatives
If nothing happens – Take this to the media
Anticipated problem:
All those involved in this greater cause risk their individual careers
March 21, 2008 at 10:26 am
its is very disappointing that iba will take this kind of action with their 2 bright students.
It was all a big misunderstanding among the students and the teachers aswell thus its not only the students at fault but the teachers aswell.the teachers do not want to ruin their career even if it results in children losing their whole year! they did not even bother to hear the story of the majority and rather gave their decision on the statement of a few students who did not even tell them the whole story.these students did not tell mubin khalili that they all got the sms in the morning(including a phone call to a girl) in fear that action can be taken against them aswell.
this information should be the main point on which iba should rethink its decision.
March 21, 2008 at 3:19 pm
By expulsion they mean temporary expulsion. This punishment suggests that these 2 students are supposed to start their undergraduate from the beginning, come August 2009 (effectively, a waste of 2 years). Suspension is what the other MBA student was awarded. He will have to repeat his last semester (MBA 4) starting Spring 2009.
If these controlling elements in the administration continue with implementing the law of the jungle, this university’s image of being a tough survival ground will soon lose its ‘charm’ and be come to known as an asylum for retards or something like.
March 21, 2008 at 3:20 pm
*correction: a breeding ground for retards
March 21, 2008 at 7:52 pm
as someone aptly put. The guy’s on an ego trip.
March 22, 2008 at 7:28 am
@ Mr.Afghani.
To delay the action is to let the momentum pass out of our hands.To play the waiting game is to give them the edge.They after all are better equipped to weathering a temporary storm.We , in the meanwhile,must continue to suffer absurd punishments based solely on whim.
Signing a petition will not solve anything.The BITS student body tried it when a professor publicly slapped a student.Needless to say, no action was taken,and i dont think it will.On the flip side,however i have no solutions to put forward to the table.When life gives you lemons
A rolling stone gathers more than moss.
March 22, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Apparently the 1 lac projector is more important than two bright students. The student counselor, the controller and the registrar are more interested in holding long , full class investigations over the projector.
March 23, 2008 at 1:19 pm
This is so unfortunate. The entire career of a student gets affected . BTW, nice blog here. I am glad it is NOT affiliated with the institution (or university whatever) itself , otherwise we could have not openly criticized this act. Oh BTW I just came across this another blog : http://www.ibakhi.blogspot.com/ .
March 23, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Thank you Zunaira
March 24, 2008 at 8:53 am
Today the final decision regarding their expulsion (the so-called reconsideration) had to be announced early morning, so that those two students could sit in their exam. But the Dean decided NOT to SHOW UP!!!
Do these cruel sadists think its a joke or something? Thanks to the irresponsible administration, the students have failed to appear in today’s exam.
March 24, 2008 at 11:42 am
no one is mentioning much about the picture taking duo. Can someone tell the context of these pictures? Class room, bath room, faculty room, etc?
March 24, 2008 at 2:03 pm
I dont believe you guys didnt take action and lobby the cause….its too late already…I am an ex faculty member…by the way…i hope you arent under the impression that faculty members do not know of this blog…they certainly do and is there some way of controlling who can visit and who cant …im afraid im not an MIS major
Oh and im certainly sympathetic and hope that the one year suspension gets reversed..also n my stay at the IBA as a student i learnt that there are more back stabbers than friends…so forgod sake you guys be careful and get a grip on your lives…the admin has always been an enemy the way your bosses will always be enemies when you hit the corporate world…y giv them a chance to hurt u…play smart
March 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm
@farzal
the picture taking duo had taken a picture of mudeeha khalil inside class. it was nothing serious. the point they were expelled on was the principal that students arent supposed to use cell phone inside class. Someone from the class informed her and she checked all the cell phones finally catching the guy whose cell phone it was, who got a week suspension and the one who took it who got the year.
@Sushi
There is no way of controlling who visits the blog. We hope so too. The notice went up on Wednesday, when this post was made. by then the decision was made.
Signing petition now means making unions. The girl from the class who tried to help was almost dragged into the expulsion part. FESF was told not to interfere.
Today, Ishrat Hussain said that the disciplinary committee is senior and must have taken a right decision and told the Governor not to interfere in his business or get someone new.
The point was the committee should have reconsidered the case, once it was apparent that all facts were not considered.
@Backstabbers, agree on that.
March 25, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Stop moaning on such forums and act…else live like a twat who comes and goes to IBA for classes.
The whole culture and the decision making model at IBA is wrong but from a perspective where the students are supposed to be decent and responsible and NOT sex freaks who want to take photos of a sober teacher like Mudiha Khalil(she will be insecure forever after this).
Given the fact that IBA has never been democratic, participatory and consensual in any aspect e.g. the now old but once new canteen @ city campus, the election system, the teacher selection criteria, the Graduate directory, the placement and internship processes and the punishments etc. To change IBA requires an extraordinary shock to its base….and for that all you have to do is to be that SHOCK. But every change is a possible self destruct button.
Regards,
March 26, 2008 at 2:54 pm
@ Ali Changazi
IBA’s attempt at being consensual, participartory.
http://criticiba.wordpress.com/vision/
and i agree with most of what you say.
March 26, 2008 at 8:54 pm
@sushi
Thanks for your advice, and it’s something i keep listening from all elders
‘play safe’ or ‘play smart’ and i agree that being overtly emotional will not help. But then again should ‘playing smart’ translate into ‘being selfish’ or ‘having no social responsibility’?
We can just do nothing like everyone else, and let IBA run the way it is: not ‘disciplinary’ but ‘dictatorial’ in nature. Students are treated like second grade citizens or worse. We have no say or influence in any decision made by IBA directly affecting us, including:
1. The change of the hourly system to mid-term,
2. Dropping of subject restricted to 10 days after the second mid-term,
3. Disallowing all shirts carrying any design or logo,
4. Disallowing students any relaxation on absences for participating in any inter-university competition (be it debates, dramatics, LUMUN, sports, etc)
5. Disallowing playing of any musical instrument anywhere in IBA, except the auditorium
6. Disallowing any non-IBA performer to perform in any IBA event
7. Putting anything ‘objectionable to the administration’ under ‘breach of code of good conduct’: whatever they may define it on that particular day.
8. Making a person in charge of handling student body events, who calls the student representatives at 11 in the morning, makes them wait in front of his office until 7 in the evening only to tell them to ‘come later’.
(just to name a few)
Instead of taking candid feedback from students to improve the system and creating a feeling of mutual trust and respect (We are not juvenile delinquents; we are business executives in training), the management makes sure that a general atmosphere of ‘fear of the administration’ always prevails in IBA, making them as unreachable and aloof as possible.
March 26, 2008 at 9:02 pm
@ Ali Changezi
Agreed on the ‘act’ wala part. Maybe we should have a separate thread for suggestions on a ‘workable action plan for solving IBA’s issues’ or along the same lines.
(criticiba – any ideas?)
March 26, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Such disregard for human lives and futures may seem shocking to some. None of those people are at IBA though. Sad, isn’t it?
The blog is growing. Very nice.
Keep up the good work. Love this site.
March 27, 2008 at 5:34 pm
@ separate thread
raise an issue anywhere and i’ll pick it up from there and just comment to point out solutions. We will do our part to fix it as students and leave the administration to do its cleaning. We will point out their flaws, up to them to fix it. we can only guide there.
@wqah.
Sad
Thank you.
March 30, 2008 at 6:46 am
junaid purposed some solutions to handle the issue n unjust of the Admin….
i have something to add to it!
its like after we r done with gathering all the required information of the previous cases…we can make a draft n forward it to the IBA alumni!!!
a list is available at the photocopier (city campus)
they(alumni) can pressurize there representative (in the board of directors) to take some action!
December 17, 2008 at 8:54 am
*comment deleted because of offensive content*
Ali, kindly refrain from using offensive language on the blog.
-criticiba